Re: 12 string PANTERA Project

by The Chad Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:58 pm

Warrn wrote:Weren't De Tomaso Panteras Ford powered?

Lol, yeah they were!!! 351's I'm pretty sure. Man those are sweet looking cars!!!

by Guest Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:21 pm

The Chad wrote:Thanks for doing this Sarc, I think we've all learned something from it!

And that blue is pretty, very Ford like, but it looks fast that way. Are you gonna put the Pantera decal on it too?

yup the logo will put on.

by Guest Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:22 pm

The Chad wrote:
Warrn wrote:Weren't De Tomaso Panteras Ford powered?

Lol, yeah they were!!! 351's I'm pretty sure. Man those are sweet looking cars!!!

I used to live near a guy that worked on them - always had 2 or 3 at his house - awesome cars.

by The Chad Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:49 am

sarcaster wrote:
The Chad wrote:
Warrn wrote:Weren't De Tomaso Panteras Ford powered?

Lol, yeah they were!!! 351's I'm pretty sure. Man those are sweet looking cars!!!

I used to live near a guy that worked on them - always had 2 or 3 at his house - awesome cars.

I've only ever seen them at car shows, bet that was cool!

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Had to post it, sorry. Laughing

Anyway, glad the Pantera logo's going on there, it's look the bomb!

by Guest Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:37 pm

Sanded away the paint and fixed some blemishes today. I also used a dremmel to route out room for the switch. So the normal plate will fit on the back which is good.
Got some more sanding to do tomorrow and then ready for the real paint job.

Thanks Fish for the PUP stencils - I may use one on this guitar, but will make it on the 350 after I am done with this one.

Getting close to the end on this - paint, sanding, clear, sanding, buffing, and put it all together.

by Guest Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:53 pm

Ok, so I got some more work done today, the switch slot needed to be 1/4 inch longer and had to drill new hole for the switch screws. This switch is a bit wider than original so made sure all was set and then at the last minute decide to change the color.

This pic is after the 3rd coat. I did plenty more. It looks to be a bit closer to the Caspian blue I was looking for. It will dry over night and then maybe I will put up another couple if pics.

I can;t believe it is January and I still had a bug land on it while I was spraying - ugh. Hopefully he will remain under the clear coats to come and not affect the finish.

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bridge - 12 string PANTERA Project - Page 4 111

While I did like the previous color....I like this one better. Now the question is - for the Pantera logo, is it too dark to do a blak logo, or should I put an aged white one on (which would look more like the 390)?

by Guest Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:56 pm

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This is after the last coat - dry dry dry already so I can get the clear on!

by hoax Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:13 pm

Great colour Sarc !!

I would certainly go for the aged white logo and I would put it on as early as possible to allow you the hide the edges under as many clear coats as you can.

From the pics, it does look a little uneven. I initially said do not sand a metallic finish as it sheers the metal particles and damages the final finish, but I now go with Westbones advice i.e. do not sand your last coat.

Either that. or be prepared to put on lots of lacquer and wet sand until smooth (obviously avoiding going right through to your base coat)

Hoax

by Guest Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:53 pm

Hoax - no sanding yet so I will be going with your plan B Smile

It's looking better and more even as it dries, but I planned on no sanding the metallic. I figure when I took the paint off of this thing it took 10 Minutes with a power sander to get to wood - so they had a ton of color and clear on it. I'm gonna put a lot of clear, then wetsand starting with a finer grit than my 390 and then try to sand less and buff more. We shall see how it goes!

by nasticanasta Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:09 pm

What a cool idea....and using a B.C. RICH style...ingenious! Can't wait to see the finished project.

by Yesca_Mescal Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:26 pm

This is an amazing project so far, it`s very adventurous! I`m starting my own project with a Spectrum I, not nearly as crazy as yours. Keep us posted on your results.

by Westbone Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:47 am

sarcaster wrote:Hoax - no sanding yet so I will be going with your plan B
It's looking better and more even as it dries, but I planned on no sanding the metallic. I figure when I took the paint off of this thing it took 10 Minutes with a power sander to get to wood - so they had a ton of color and clear on it. I'm gonna put a lot of clear, then wetsand starting with a finer grit than my 390 and then try to sand less and buff more. We shall see how it goes!

Nice colour..

I would seriously give it a sand before any clear.
Get it nice and flat before a final colour coat.

What paint are you using? can/gun, cellulose/acrylic or 2 pack.

by Guest Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:19 am

It is ratlle can, and I think I will do a sand and then a few more coats. The color looks really nice after drying, much darker than it looks in the pic. It's been very cold here this week - below freezing, which is real cold for Florida so it is putting a little delay on working it.

by IanO Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:03 pm

don't say it's cold in Florida....I'm going there for hols in April!! Love the colour by the way.

by Guest Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:04 pm

So since it is in the 30's this week at night in Fla. I had some time to change my mind and spent the last couple of hours wet sanding down the color. It's much more flat than before, but now I need to buy more paint to put on top. So hopefully this weekend it will warm up enough to paint and then the clear. Ah but in the meanwhile I need to find my images for my logo and try to get a color to match the headstock logo. Off to look.....

by Westbone Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:23 am

I'd give the final colour coat a good week or 2 at least to dry off. In a warm place.
As that paint dries it will 'sink'.
To many coats on undry paint will shrink up in time and cause tiny cracks in the paint. A bit like the marbled effect.

by **Barry** Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:38 pm

sarcaster wrote:So since it is in the 30's this week at night in Fla...

Ooo, tee shirt weather here! clown

by Iceman Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:17 pm

Barry wrote:
sarcaster wrote:So since it is in the 30's this week at night in Fla...
Ooo, tee shirt weather here!

That's shorts and tees you mean, right Barry? Laughing

by Guest Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:29 am

It did warm up enough to hit with more color yesterday afternoon. I'm glad I listened to suggestions to wet sand flat and that more color coats, as it looks much better.
I need to see if I can find the waterslide paper somewhere, or I'll order more again while the paint settles.

by Guest Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:28 pm

Just a comparison pic of the colors I tried. Sorry they are not during the same time of day with the same lighting. bridge - 12 string PANTERA Project - Page 4 Bb10

bridge - 12 string PANTERA Project - Page 4 Bb10

I think they both are good. Maybe I should make a double neck.

by **Barry** Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:45 pm

Iceman wrote:
Barry wrote:
sarcaster wrote:So since it is in the 30's this week at night in Fla...
Ooo, tee shirt weather here!
That's shorts and tees you mean, right Barry?

With my legs, not so much these days. Crying or Very sad

by Westbone Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:26 pm

Nearly 10 pages, roll on the sunshine Smile

by Guest Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:29 pm

Won't be much longer. Once the logo and the clear is on...its all just putting the parts on so no more pages.....until the next project. Smile

by **Barry** Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:52 pm

Westbone wrote:Nearly 10 pages, roll on the sunshine

Approaching War and Peace status for sure.

by hoax Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:45 am

I love the dark one - Just like the old Mark 2 Jag I used to own.

Hoax

by Iceman Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:48 pm

hoax wrote:
I love the dark one - Just like the old Mark 2 Jag I used to own.

Hoax

Sorta' puts me in a '75 Melissa Manchester kinda' mood, ya know?

by Guest Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:34 pm

Color is done. I had to sand once more an apply more color as there was a mishap. Letting a guitar dry in a room where a 13 year old and a soccer ball cause the guitar to fall is a bad mix. Oh well, lesson learned.

Measuring up the size of the logo on my 390:

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bridge - 12 string PANTERA Project - Page 4 512

And then printed logos- tried to make them as yellow as the headstock logo. tough to tell on transparent paper with a white background but looks close:

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bridge - 12 string PANTERA Project - Page 4 710

Ugh - I did forget to have the clear ready. I need to spray clear on the decal and let dry before applying so maybe tomorrow. I also need to think about the truss rod cover. Easy enough to make, but I need to put the model # on it. Hmmm decal for that too? gotta be something better.

by Guest Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:36 pm

wow that is hard to see the logo now that I look at it uploaded - trust me...it is there. Made a few in case they fall apart. Took me about 5 tries to get the black logo on that 390.

by Guest Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:48 pm

Ok so big issue is the body logo will not be going on. It looked green as the dark blue over powered my ink jet. I could have tried a few more things but to be honest I wanted to get done with sanding, so at the moment no Pantera logo on the body - sorry folks, decision made - which really means I got frustrated.

So onto the current pics. I'm done wet sanding and used a 4000 and 6000 grit sanding cloth. I then put on just a wee bit swirl remover and took these pics. I am not done yet, I'm going to take the buffer to it and really make it shine. Might be done in a few days - in the meanwhile I will make a new truss rud cover. I think if all goes well this one is done this weekend! - Oh yeah , one more thing - might not be a bad idea to get a set of strings for it Smile

The little white spots are just dust and the 2nd pic has some hand smudges but the rest is looking pretty good. The final buffing is gonna be nice I think.

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by **Barry** Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:09 pm

Oh mommy, she's getting close...so close, to strings and things! bounce

We will of course demand a sound clip of this puppy once strung and working you realize, eh?

by Guest Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:12 pm

Barry wrote:Oh mommy, she's getting close...so close, to strings and things!

We will of course demand a sound clip of this puppy once strung and working you realize, eh?

Been thinking about that - not sure what the best way to do that. It's gonna have a nice bit of options with the pickups. I always think youtube sounds lame unless ya can pull right from audio instead of a video cam. I need to get some good recording software just for my own recording, but where to upload for something like a sampling of sounds?

by westcoaster Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:00 am

Sarcaster,
I posted a while back about Reaper - really good recording software. Millions of options. It's free to try with no limitations, you need to buy after 30 days but the devs seem to be really relaxed about that, it won't stop working, you just get a nag screen for about 5 seconds at startup.
Here's a link to the site:

http://www.reaper.fm/

by gittarasaurus Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:40 am

sarcaster wrote: but where to upload for something like a sampling of sounds?

if you have never seen this before, then you are in for a treat.....>>> www.archive.org <<<<<

this is a great website. anyone can contribute recordings, audio or video.

i have posted many recordings there. no problems.

another place to load up some audio recordings is here >> http://soundcloud.com/ <<
i haven't uploaded any here but i've had others link me to their recordings here. it looks to be simple.

by beavis Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:26 pm

gittarasaurus wrote:
if you have never seen this before, then you are in for a treat.....>>> www.archive.org <<<<<

this is a great website. anyone can contribute recordings, audio or video.

You are a most practical dude Gitarrasaurus! Razz

by Guest Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:24 pm

Thanks for the tips for uploading audio - I will look into them

by Guest Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:50 pm

Ok so I am done with the buffing and am very glad there is no more sanding. It is like glass and the metalic finsih looks great. There are some very small specks here and there that are low spots ( those who have done wet sanding know what I mean) but not bad over all. Much better than the X390 paint job (which I think I may now redo at some point).
Here it is after the finishing is now finished:

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bridge - 12 string PANTERA Project - Page 4 A11

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This is semi assembled. notice 2 neck plate screw are missing - have to find those. I also need to get some plate screws.

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bridge - 12 string PANTERA Project - Page 4 C11

And the front (I didn't realize how bad the fret board needed cleaning until just now):

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Now here is the one horrible thing. When I put the neck in, I did not realize that the paint in the neck pocket would build up enough to make the join so much tighter. I had to push hard to get the neck in and heard a little "chip !". And that is exactly what it was....pushing the neck in the pocket with no room caused a bit of paint to chip off where the neck meets the body.
I have to be honest, it is a lesson learned, but it doesn't bother me too much since the rest looks to good and it is an honest mistake. I really don't see myself redoing the entire finish at this point. I'm more likely to refinish the 390 in a different color before i go down the re-refinish of this one. I am anxious to get onto the next project and will live with this one big flaw.

That being said - here is a pic of it:

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bridge - 12 string PANTERA Project - Page 4 F10

So now to finish it up, I need to order some screws for the neck plate and back plates, install the PUPs, make a truss rod cover, string it up and it is done.

whew...long post, but progress has been made

by beavis Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:54 am

Impressive, congrats Sarcaster! I love it.
Can't wait to hear the end result!

by **corsair** Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:17 am

Superb, brother.... Liking this a lot!, hey, I'll bet you could find mail polish in a shade very similar to that to camouflage the chip??

by **Barry** Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:06 am

Beautiful finish Sarc!
Great job, and sorry to hear about the $%^&*@ paint chip.

by Westbone Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:23 pm

Do like the colour.

Unfortunate chip, just paint it in with a paintbrush with the colour you used. Has to look better than that chip.

by Guest Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:16 pm

Westbone wrote:Do like the colour.

Unfortunate chip, just paint it in with a paintbrush with the colour you used. Has to look better than that chip.

I'm all out Smile

would have to buy more. I figure something out.

by The Chad Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:12 pm

I second John's fingernail polish tip. Works a treat. Take your chip to a Sally Beauty store or whatever you have in those parts, and some young lass will help ya.

by **Barry** Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:41 pm

The Chad wrote:I second John's fingernail polish tip. Works a treat. Take your chip to a Sally Beauty store or whatever you have in those parts, and some young lass will help ya.

Still gotta do that for my "cool copper" Danelectro. Got a couple of nasty chips which are near impossible to match.

by fish Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:51 am

Great job sarc, looking forward to seeing it finished cheers

by Guest Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:01 pm

here's a rough cut of the truss rod cover. Looks a bit odd since it is bigger than normal, but I needed to cover the holes from the locking saddle.

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bridge - 12 string PANTERA Project - Page 4 Aa10

And here's one with the hardware installed. I just need to get some neck plate screws before stringing it up. And a new flushmount jack.

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bridge - 12 string PANTERA Project - Page 4 Bb11

by Sgt. Vimes Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:15 pm

holy flookin schnitt!

beautiful, congrats, nice to see great ideas and hard work come together like this

by Guest Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:18 pm

Sgt. Vimes wrote:holy flookin schnitt!

beautiful, congrats, nice to see great ideas and hard work come together like this

Thanks eh - yes lots of work. But I am a little proud of the finish on this one - looks pretty dang good. I may even redo my 390 in mettalic

by fish Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:23 pm

Looking good Pat, clever solution for making a 12 string out of a pointy. cyclops

by Guest Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:29 pm

fish wrote:
Looking good Pat, clever solution for making a 12 string out of a pointy.

How bout a 12 string 350 - now that would look nice!

by hoax Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:59 pm

Sarc

The finish you achieved is quite stunning. From the photos it looks factory.

Well done!

Hoax

by mortarman120gang11c Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:48 pm

That is simply superb wormanship on this one. It is one cool 12 string for certain and can't wait to hear an audio clip of it. Great job.

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