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Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
I've sent the base that David Blair sent to me all those years ago across to Rick, who is about cast some in aluminium!
Exciting times, peoples!!
Over to you, Rick.....
Exciting times, peoples!!
Over to you, Rick.....
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
I did receive the bendmaster deluxe from John, like he has been saying it is very soft being made from resin.
I’m learning quite a bit here, I didn’t even know such a beast existed!
Now I also understand what he has been talking about with the shims... my dynasty has the other type so I had been confused... not a difficult thing for me to be confused... lol
Anyway...
I have it and I have started the mold, the bottom of the mold should be poured tonight or in the morning depending on how long the other half takes to cure.
I will do these the same way, copy in wax and cast in aluminum.
Question, the locking bits... I will be working on them soon...
Will aluminum be okay or should I look at a different material?
![Bendmaster - Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base. 78f82910](https://i.servimg.com/u/f75/20/05/68/38/78f82910.jpg)
![Bendmaster - Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base. 912a4510](https://i.servimg.com/u/f75/20/05/68/38/912a4510.jpg)
I’m learning quite a bit here, I didn’t even know such a beast existed!
Now I also understand what he has been talking about with the shims... my dynasty has the other type so I had been confused... not a difficult thing for me to be confused... lol
Anyway...
I have it and I have started the mold, the bottom of the mold should be poured tonight or in the morning depending on how long the other half takes to cure.
I will do these the same way, copy in wax and cast in aluminum.
Question, the locking bits... I will be working on them soon...
Will aluminum be okay or should I look at a different material?
![Bendmaster - Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base. 78f82910](https://i.servimg.com/u/f75/20/05/68/38/78f82910.jpg)
![Bendmaster - Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base. 912a4510](https://i.servimg.com/u/f75/20/05/68/38/912a4510.jpg)
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
This is fascinating.
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
So the bad news.
The locking bits need to be adjusted every so slightly, and I mean slightly...
John, don’t worry I didn’t mess with your locking bits.
I would like to cast some locking bits and see if they adjust. Worried about aluminum, do you guys think aluminum will hold the strings?
The holes and castle line up with the original, not exactly sure what’s going on with the locking bits.
John, I would like to send you one to see how it works on your guitar, do you have any spare locking bits you are willing to shave down a hair?
Going to clean them up tomorrow or Saturday![Smile](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif)
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The locking bits need to be adjusted every so slightly, and I mean slightly...
John, don’t worry I didn’t mess with your locking bits.
I would like to cast some locking bits and see if they adjust. Worried about aluminum, do you guys think aluminum will hold the strings?
The holes and castle line up with the original, not exactly sure what’s going on with the locking bits.
John, I would like to send you one to see how it works on your guitar, do you have any spare locking bits you are willing to shave down a hair?
Going to clean them up tomorrow or Saturday
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
That looks excellent!!
I still have plenty of locking plates, yes...
I still have plenty of locking plates, yes...
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
Are you super attached to the locking bits you sent?
Can I adjust those and send this one to you for testing?
Can I adjust those and send this one to you for testing?
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
Many thanks to John for sending me the resin bendmaster deluxe string lock. There are a few small defects I noticed after molding that are appearing in the final piece.
When I was making my wax copies I noticed them and thought it was my wax injector. Anyway I am going to make another mold, I can fix those in John's original with some clay, however, I would really like an original with the square middle bit and the shims if possible.
Does anyone have one that they would be willing to loan me so I can cast from an original?
When I was making my wax copies I noticed them and thought it was my wax injector. Anyway I am going to make another mold, I can fix those in John's original with some clay, however, I would really like an original with the square middle bit and the shims if possible.
Does anyone have one that they would be willing to loan me so I can cast from an original?
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
Great job Rick!
I have a feeling that the locking plates will be a big "seller", everyone seems to lose those littlle buggers!
I believe I've already mentioned this at the outset of these projects, but if you are wanting to establish a side hustle business I'm happy to promote all your bits and bobs on our website.
Your chances of getting rich are slim but you should be able to recover your material costs at least. And I could easily see it expanding to include other Matsumoku products and other "orphaned" or fringe brands out there. . . Parker, Ovation, Danelectro, to name a few.
Just PM me when you're ready.
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I have a feeling that the locking plates will be a big "seller", everyone seems to lose those littlle buggers!
I believe I've already mentioned this at the outset of these projects, but if you are wanting to establish a side hustle business I'm happy to promote all your bits and bobs on our website.
Your chances of getting rich are slim but you should be able to recover your material costs at least. And I could easily see it expanding to include other Matsumoku products and other "orphaned" or fringe brands out there. . . Parker, Ovation, Danelectro, to name a few.
Just PM me when you're ready.
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
PM Sent
I would be happy just to make up the cost of having fun![Smile](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif)
But mostly I know how frustrating it has been trying to get a hold of the parts I was missing. So my main agenda would be to have stuff available for others restorations.
I would be happy just to make up the cost of having fun
![Smile](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif)
But mostly I know how frustrating it has been trying to get a hold of the parts I was missing. So my main agenda would be to have stuff available for others restorations.
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
I saw a post where someone has a machine shop make the FT string lock.
Did they have a cad drawing for that?
Does anyone know if any parts have cad drawings available?
Did they have a cad drawing for that?
Does anyone know if any parts have cad drawings available?
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
Nothing wrong with those, man - epic!! The ends that are poking through the bottom?? I'd drill into the headstock to fit them, rather than grind the bolts down!!
I'd be ecstatic to test drive them, Rick!!
I'd be ecstatic to test drive them, Rick!!
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
Can you reference the actual post Rick? That would help.knicelyr wrote:I saw a post where someone has a machine shop make the FT string lock.
Did they have a cad drawing for that?
Does anyone know if any parts have cad drawings available?
Your best bet is to contact that poster with your query.
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
Okay,
I will find it, I think it was quite old...
I will find it, I think it was quite old...
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
Here is the link I found, its back from 2011.
Looks like he was also making some parts for the bridge...
https://westone.forumotion.com/t2545-locking-nut-complete-sucess-see-photos?highlight=locking+nut
Looks like he was also making some parts for the bridge...
https://westone.forumotion.com/t2545-locking-nut-complete-sucess-see-photos?highlight=locking+nut
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
No mention of CAD drawings in that post. I suspect that parts were made by a machine shop from paper based sketches.
But try contacting rebuild and see if he can help out. He hasn't been active for some time though.
But try contacting rebuild and see if he can help out. He hasn't been active for some time though.
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
He left his number in the post, I called and left a message, so lets see ![Smile](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif)
I have a customer that is willing to help me CAD the string locks, so lets see.
I think I am just being anal about it... John is going to test drive the bendmaster deluxe one.
My concern is that the locking nuts have to be shaved down slightly...
If I can cad them and 3D print them a tad bigger, I can make a mold that accounts for the shrinkage... Again, its so minute that even the holes line up with the old holes on the headstock...
![Smile](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif)
I have a customer that is willing to help me CAD the string locks, so lets see.
I think I am just being anal about it... John is going to test drive the bendmaster deluxe one.
My concern is that the locking nuts have to be shaved down slightly...
If I can cad them and 3D print them a tad bigger, I can make a mold that accounts for the shrinkage... Again, its so minute that even the holes line up with the old holes on the headstock...
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
Let's not lose sight of the fact that we now have a source for replacement stringlock bases!!!
I think that's wonderful!
I'm pretty sure I've got an OEM centre square locking plate somewhere; I'll hunt it down and fire it at you.
I think that's wonderful!
I'm pretty sure I've got an OEM centre square locking plate somewhere; I'll hunt it down and fire it at you.
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
Beauty.
I'll drink to that !![Drink Beer](/users/2514/25/10/13/smiles/2870376077.gif)
I'll drink to that !
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
Holy crap! Had no idea you'd done the deluxe base too, sterling job that man!
I may just tap you for one as my bmd base has stripped threads and I fitted helicoils but it wasn't the best job I've ever done![Very Happy](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_biggrin.png)
You'll be putting me out of business with those plates
![Very Happy](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_biggrin.png)
I may just tap you for one as my bmd base has stripped threads and I fitted helicoils but it wasn't the best job I've ever done
![Very Happy](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_biggrin.png)
You'll be putting me out of business with those plates
![Very Happy](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_biggrin.png)
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
That is NOT the way to do the plates... lol
I would like to have a press punch made to do our plates.
I have a beta Deluxe base I can send you, sending Johns out Monday.
I would like to have a press punch made to do our plates.
I have a beta Deluxe base I can send you, sending Johns out Monday.
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
Idea on the tenancy to strip... What if we had on that extended the string depth, this would require drilling holed into the headstock to accommodate the depth though...
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
A longer bolt solves the stripping out issue, 11mm iirc for the E/A lock and the standard 8mm for the others
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
Or how about raising the inside of the base, doing without the shim for the bmd and the lower plate on the ft, and having the thread go the full length? Bypassing the need to drill out the base and headstock.
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
Why does the BD need those bloody shims?! Perhaps the designers were afraid that the muck metal base would wear too quickly under the steel strings??
Damian?
Damian?
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
Is it supposed to have a recessed back to go over the plate like in this photo from ebay?
![Bendmaster - Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base. S-l1600](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bGQAAOSwJrpdUxbe/s-l1600.jpg)
![Bendmaster - Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base. S-l1600](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bGQAAOSwJrpdUxbe/s-l1600.jpg)
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
No, the plate is short and butts up to the lock base
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
so would this be a good buy to buy it to copy parts?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westone-Spectrum-Series-II-Guitar-Locking-tremelo-Red-Finish/163930494573?hash=item262b04d66d:g:bCkAAOSwRFldUxbW
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westone-Spectrum-Series-II-Guitar-Locking-tremelo-Red-Finish/163930494573?hash=item262b04d66d:g:bCkAAOSwRFldUxbW
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
It's ok, a pretty basic model but looks very tidy.
The neck on these are incredibly comfortable, thin and with a 12" or bigger radius.
Pickups are mediocre at best.
Shipping to USA will be pricey
The neck on these are incredibly comfortable, thin and with a 12" or bigger radius.
Pickups are mediocre at best.
Shipping to USA will be pricey
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Yea shipping looks like more than the guitar.
I guess I can wait it out for a local one.
I have a project coming up that I want do use the chrome parts on...
I guess I can wait it out for a local one.
I have a project coming up that I want do use the chrome parts on...
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
Mate... they're a great little guitar - I have one and love it to bits!!
However, yes; a good source for BMD parts; it's even got the OEM middle lock plate!!
Yes; that TRC on my late model Westones has a slight recess on the underside to allow the truss rod space...
However, yes; a good source for BMD parts; it's even got the OEM middle lock plate!!
Yes; that TRC on my late model Westones has a slight recess on the underside to allow the truss rod space...
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
An update here...
... a little parcel from the US in the post and lookie here; Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock bases - 1 natural aluminium and one anodized black - with sets of cast alloy locking pieces.
![Bendmaster - Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base. 112](https://i.servimg.com/u/f11/19/46/51/02/112.jpg)
![Bendmaster - Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base. 212](https://i.servimg.com/u/f11/19/46/51/02/212.jpg)
The quality of these pieces is utterly superb; I'll find a guitar on which to test 'em out shortly, but I thought y'all might like to see what Rick's been up to...
... a little parcel from the US in the post and lookie here; Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock bases - 1 natural aluminium and one anodized black - with sets of cast alloy locking pieces.
![Bendmaster - Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base. 112](https://i.servimg.com/u/f11/19/46/51/02/112.jpg)
![Bendmaster - Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base. 212](https://i.servimg.com/u/f11/19/46/51/02/212.jpg)
The quality of these pieces is utterly superb; I'll find a guitar on which to test 'em out shortly, but I thought y'all might like to see what Rick's been up to...
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
I can't wait to see one of them on a guitar!
I have the other one on both of my dynasty's, so nice to have a string lock again on my restoration!
I made a failed attempt at pouring them out of stainless this last weekend![Sad](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_sad.gif)
However I still had the mold ready so I still did the pour out of aluminum. I made 7 of them, and these I did some repair on the wax for those couple areas I was not happy with. Still have to finish them up.
I am curious as to how they hold up to ham fisting... Also have a couple of ideas on how to make the threads stronger.
1. Make a recess so that the bottom accepts a stainless nut.
2. Drill out the bottom to accept a threaded stainless tube.
3. Figure out how to pour them out of stainless.
Option 1 & 2 - Either epoxy them in or actually make them part of the mold. Titanium maybe too?
I have a customer that has offered to do a cad drawing of these for me. I think I am going to ask him to do a couple. One as id, One with the shim void filled in and another for the deluxe that has that area to accept a nut.
I would like an original one made in metal because I do not know what the bottom is supposed to look like, John's piece was awesome to make this mold from and it works just fine. But while I have the offer for FREE cad drawings I would like to have the bottom the way the original piece is.
My goal is to make up for the 1%-ish reduction in size. If it's even that much... The locking bits are a tad tight, but the holes seem to line up...
Anyway once I have everything in CAD I can use a 3D printer to make the various masters and also have a punch die made for the locking bits. However I do not have the square middle locking bit. I have my eye out for a donor guitar, but as of yet I have not found one
There was one at my local music go round when I started my restore, but then I didn't know anything about them...
Anyway,
I would like some opinions on my thoughts and possibly a loaner piece with the square bit.
The loaner of the donor gets a cloner too![Smile](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif)
John do you have an issue with me using the one you sent me with my customer? I would guess they would have to have it for awhile to get the cad done. Once I have the cad I wont need to have an original/master around. I can print them at will![Smile](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif)
I have the other one on both of my dynasty's, so nice to have a string lock again on my restoration!
I made a failed attempt at pouring them out of stainless this last weekend
![Sad](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_sad.gif)
However I still had the mold ready so I still did the pour out of aluminum. I made 7 of them, and these I did some repair on the wax for those couple areas I was not happy with. Still have to finish them up.
I am curious as to how they hold up to ham fisting... Also have a couple of ideas on how to make the threads stronger.
1. Make a recess so that the bottom accepts a stainless nut.
2. Drill out the bottom to accept a threaded stainless tube.
3. Figure out how to pour them out of stainless.
Option 1 & 2 - Either epoxy them in or actually make them part of the mold. Titanium maybe too?
I have a customer that has offered to do a cad drawing of these for me. I think I am going to ask him to do a couple. One as id, One with the shim void filled in and another for the deluxe that has that area to accept a nut.
I would like an original one made in metal because I do not know what the bottom is supposed to look like, John's piece was awesome to make this mold from and it works just fine. But while I have the offer for FREE cad drawings I would like to have the bottom the way the original piece is.
My goal is to make up for the 1%-ish reduction in size. If it's even that much... The locking bits are a tad tight, but the holes seem to line up...
Anyway once I have everything in CAD I can use a 3D printer to make the various masters and also have a punch die made for the locking bits. However I do not have the square middle locking bit. I have my eye out for a donor guitar, but as of yet I have not found one
![Sad](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_sad.gif)
Anyway,
I would like some opinions on my thoughts and possibly a loaner piece with the square bit.
The loaner of the donor gets a cloner too
![Smile](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif)
John do you have an issue with me using the one you sent me with my customer? I would guess they would have to have it for awhile to get the cad done. Once I have the cad I wont need to have an original/master around. I can print them at will
![Smile](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif)
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
@Rick, just amazingly good work!
And so badly needed for these old guitars too.
@John..love your new Avatar.
Remember it growing up, one of my favourite prop driven craft along with the Spitfire.
Versatile and beautiful.
And so badly needed for these old guitars too.
![Love Flag](/users/2514/25/10/13/smiles/979471947.gif)
@John..love your new Avatar.
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Remember it growing up, one of my favourite prop driven craft along with the Spitfire.
Versatile and beautiful.
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
Rick,
You have done an amazing job with re-manufacturing these. A lovely bit of practical engineering. I love it.
I am definitely on the list for one for my Pantera, which has the Kahler Quick-Release string lock (which doesn't really work well due to the string angles on the skinnier strings...)
You have done an amazing job with re-manufacturing these. A lovely bit of practical engineering. I love it.
I am definitely on the list for one for my Pantera, which has the Kahler Quick-Release string lock (which doesn't really work well due to the string angles on the skinnier strings...)
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Re: Bendmaster Deluxe stringlock base.
Barry wrote:@John..love your new Avatar.![]()
Remember it growing up, one of my favourite prop driven craft along with the Spitfire.
Versatile and beautiful.
The guy I sit next to at work spent part of his bonus last year on a flight in a original Spitfire that had been converted into a two-seater (with the double bubble cockpit).
He got to set off from the airfield at HMS Daedalus in Lee-on-Solent, off round the Isle of Wight (off the south coast of UK), do some loops and barrel rolls and back to terra firma. The plane had a 360 degree camera fitted to it so he had a record of not just what was outside, but also how he reacted.
Brilliant!!!
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