Re: Old Banjo Westone

by Westbone Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:02 pm

westcoaster wrote:Moving on, because there are a million other forums dealing with race issues.

KINOSABE

by Iceman Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:39 am

corsair wrote:Moving quickly along......

+1....

So who knows the difference between a hammered dulcimer and an Appalacian dulcimer??

by Westbone Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:51 am

Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians.
Oops ! Don't get me started on the indians.

Until you've had these so called accordian playing gypsies going through your garbage, leaving a hell of a mess. Lucky I dont put my bank statements in the bin. Don't mention race issues.
We talking accordian players here.

by Warrn Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:21 pm

Iceman wrote:So who knows the difference between a hammered dulcimer and an Appalacian dulcimer??

A hammered dulcimer has a heck of a lot more strings and is played with a hammer! An Appalachian dulcimer has 4 strings, two of which are tuned the same if I recall, and strange fret placement.

by Iceman Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:14 pm

Warrn wrote:
Iceman wrote:So who knows the difference between a hammered dulcimer and an Appalacian dulcimer??
A hammered dulcimer has a heck of a lot more strings and is played with a hammer! An Appalachian dulcimer has 4 strings, two of which are tuned the same if I recall, and strange fret placement.

...seriously?? Shocked

And I thought you were a musician....

C'mon Warrn, everybody knows that a hammered dulcimer burns hotter while an Appalacian dulcimer burns longer...

cheers

by **corsair** Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:53 pm

Boom tish.... He's here all week, folks, try the veal!

by Iceman Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:58 pm

corsair wrote:Boom tish.... He's here all week, folks, try the veal!

If ever there was a need demonstrated for a rimshot smiley it was just embodied in this post...

by Sgt. Vimes Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:36 am

by norfolkngood Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:40 pm

I fell asleep in front of the TV last night with Match of the Day playing... woke up a while later and the TV had weirdly switched to some oddball documentary about George Formby presented by Frank Skinner. He interviewed some modern ukulele players who were a bit sniffy about the great man's playing. Apparently he was "fast" but not "precise" and there was much analysis about speed versus technique.

Thought about Malmsteen and BB King. Thought about shred v. tone.

Thought it was time to go to bed!

by beavis Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:15 pm

norfolkngood wrote:
Thought about Malmsteen and BB King. Thought about shred v. tone.

You surely meant to say you thought about shred and tone v. out of tune bends Twisted Evil

by **Barry** Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:22 pm

beavis wrote:...You surely meant to say you thought about shred and tone v. out of tune bends

Funny you should say that. My "boss" was commenting just yesterday in the shop how so many players do not finish bending completely up/down to the note that they're reaching for. They 'kind of' get there and reckon that it's close enough. Rolling Eyes

I hadn't really paid that much attention before...but now that he (and you) mention it...

by beavis Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:19 am

Barry wrote:
beavis wrote:...You surely meant to say you thought about shred and tone v. out of tune bends
Funny you should say that. My "boss" was commenting just yesterday in the shop how so many players do not finish bending completely up/down to the note that they're reaching for. They 'kind of' get there and reckon that it's close enough.

I hadn't really paid that much attention before...but now that he (and you) mention it...

A few years ago, I was reading an Yngwie interview who pointed out that Slash's bends were rarely in tune. I thought that was surprising since Slash sort of knows what he is doing, so I went and checked out my own bends and realised that they were often a little off. I think exercise makes perfect, but it's true that us guitarists are lazy and quickly get into bad habits. Also, when you listen to guys like Brian May or David Gilmour, you realise that bending is actually quite an art methinks.

by Westbone Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:57 am

Sound perfect on a recording, Brian May, Gilmour ect.

You should hear them live, not always pitch perfect, then who is.

No banjo players Laughing

by hobster Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:52 am

The cool thing about bending is if you hit a wrong note just bend it till its in key, like you meant to do it. Wink

I love bending, you can do so much with 1 note, except it sounds pretty dead on a banjo. Very Happy

by The Chad Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:00 pm

Bending sucks on trem geetars. I need one of them Tremol No systems. And practice will certainly improve your bends. Auto pilot kicks in and you reproduce your training. You only get out of it what you put into it! I'm telling myself that right now...

by **Barry** Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:05 pm

The Chad wrote:...I need one of them Tremol No systems...

I worked on a guitar with one recently at the shop. My first. Must say, was a bit skeptical at first, then I was impressed with it the more I played with it. Deceptively simple and it seems to work.

by Brainfertilizer Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:02 pm

Westbone wrote:Apparently it was made in Germany.
Here's a link.
http://www.westoneguitars.net/guitars/unidentified-models/

Quite impressed with your French hoax, What did it say

I think he said, "I don't know Jack poop about banjos, but maybe if you ask some other members, they can help you out with some info"

by PaulS Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:11 am

Doing bends on a guitar became easier for me once I started playing bass. My hands and fingers have become much stronger since spending time with thicker bass strings and I noticed that over the last few years, when picking up a guitar, I have been increasingly able to do bends that I struggled with when I used to play guitar. Plus it is an excuse to my more Westones, of course.

by grogg Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:02 pm

The Chad wrote:Bending sucks on trem geetars. I need one of them Tremol No systems. And practice will certainly improve your bends. Auto pilot kicks in and you reproduce your training. You only get out of it what you put into it! I'm telling myself that right now...

No idea about tremol but Jeff Beck seems to combine bends and the wammy bar to good effect.

by gittarasaurus Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:32 pm

you mean like this?

cause we've ended as lovers

by beavis Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:15 pm

gittarasaurus wrote:you mean like this?

cause we've ended as lovers

Jeff Beck sure knows how to play a strat. Great stuff.

I do have a lot of trouble with these concerts where people are sitting, cross-legged, drinking wine and occasionnally nodding their heads. These people should go to classical concerts if that's the way they listen to music.

by gittarasaurus Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:39 pm

beavis wrote:
I do have a lot of trouble with these concerts where people are sitting, cross-legged, drinking wine and occasionnally nodding their heads. These people should go to classical concerts if that's the way they listen to music.

all i can say is, i would happily see jeff beck in a setting like that.
Very Happy

i have been to thousands of live shows in my life. i have had my fill of sweaty smoke-filled coliseums, and being treated like cattle or a terrorist, just for a night's entertainment.

that was fun when i was a kid, but no more for me. i don't have the energy or the physical capacity or the patience for that anymore. i'm a gittarasaurus, ya know... Cool

by grogg Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:11 pm

With you there Guitarasauras and yes that was an excellent example. I will not go to the big shows anymore. Last one was Bob Dylan but only because I hadnt seen him live.
Really wish I could have got to one of those Ronny Scott shows.

by **Barry** Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:08 pm

The Chad wrote:Bending sucks on trem geetars...

Apropos of that sentiment...today we had an Ernie Ball/Music Man clinic at the shop, mostly to promote the new EB Cobalt strings. The player was Elmer Ferrera originally from Cuba, now a Canadian. He's a recording artist and performer and has played with the likes of people such as Sting. The man was simply awesome. What he lacked in English expression he more than made up for in his playing!

He demo'd the strings on two Music Man guitar models, each with trem bridges. As he waxed enthusiastically about the strings he also raved about the bridges on these guitars and demonstrated how these stay in tune no matter how crazy he got with them. Honestly folks, with the possible exception of the Bigsby, I've never experienced a "traditional" style tremolo bridge like this. It defies description. Simple and rock solid! Never goes out of tune no matter what you do to it! Then, if you add the Cobalts, string bending and harmonics are enhanced by several fold.

Try it (them)! Strongly recommended. Old Banjo Westone - Page 2 Thumb_up

by **corsair** Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:53 pm

Are they available singly, or only in sets? I require a wound G..... Cool

by **Barry** Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:07 pm

Only seen sets so far, and no wound G's that I know of.
Why don't you spring for all 6? Live a little! rabbit

by beavis Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:56 pm

gittarasaurus wrote:
beavis wrote:
I do have a lot of trouble with these concerts where people are sitting, cross-legged, drinking wine and occasionnally nodding their heads. These people should go to classical concerts if that's the way they listen to music.

all i can say is, i would happily see jeff beck in a setting like that.

i have been to thousands of live shows in my life. i have had my fill of sweaty smoke-filled coliseums, and being treated like cattle or a terrorist, just for a night's entertainment.

that was fun when i was a kid, but no more for me. i don't have the energy or the physical capacity or the patience for that anymore. i'm a gittarasaurus, ya know...

I get your point. And, especially with the likes of Jeff Beck, I fully understand you don't want some drunk making a fuss, or a crowd of teenage girls screaming the guy's name. Anybody would want some peace and quiet to enjoy the subtlety of the Beck. However, just for the beauty of the show, I do appreciate it when people are standing and cheering. It's rock'n'roll after all.

Again, guess it depends on the venue. Went to see Bob Dylan in an arena a few years back. I was sitting down and it was just as good.

Regarding these trems, they are a mystery to me. My MIJ strat replica has one of those old-fashioned 6-screw trems and it holds the tune just as well, if not better, than a bendmaster... Go figure (maybe because I use it more for pull-ups than dives, dunno).

by grogg Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:40 pm

The Chad wrote:Bending sucks on trem geetars. I need one of them Tremol No systems. And practice will certainly improve your bends. Auto pilot kicks in and you reproduce your training. You only get out of it what you put into it! I'm telling myself that right now...

Was just looking at tremsetter.

by **corsair** Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:58 pm

I installed a Göldo Backbox which works better than fine. I posted about in here somewhere....

by PaulS Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:38 am

The bassist in that clip, Tal Wilkenfeld, has developed a fairly large following. I think it is because of her technicque and tone.

by IanO Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:07 am

beavis wrote:
gittarasaurus wrote:
beavis wrote:
I do have a lot of trouble with these concerts where people are sitting, cross-legged, drinking wine and occasionnally nodding their heads. These people should go to classical concerts if that's the way they listen to music.

all i can say is, i would happily see jeff beck in a setting like that.

i have been to thousands of live shows in my life. i have had my fill of sweaty smoke-filled coliseums, and being treated like cattle or a terrorist, just for a night's entertainment.

that was fun when i was a kid, but no more for me. i don't have the energy or the physical capacity or the patience for that anymore. i'm a gittarasaurus, ya know...

I went to see Jeff Healey about 15/20 years ago and even he was sitting down!! I saw Jeff Beck at the Royal Albert Hall a year or so ago and the couple sitting net to me were talking all the way through the 1st and 2nd songs..I had to ask them to please stop...it didn't go down well but at last they stopped talking. A fantastic gig all the same.

I get your point. And, especially with the likes of Jeff Beck, I fully understand you don't want some drunk making a fuss, or a crowd of teenage girls screaming the guy's name. Anybody would want some peace and quiet to enjoy the subtlety of the Beck. However, just for the beauty of the show, I do appreciate it when people are standing and cheering. It's rock'n'roll after all.

Again, guess it depends on the venue. Went to see Bob Dylan in an arena a few years back. I was sitting down and it was just as good.

Regarding these trems, they are a mystery to me. My MIJ strat replica has one of those old-fashioned 6-screw trems and it holds the tune just as well, if not better, than a bendmaster... Go figure (maybe because I use it more for pull-ups than dives, dunno).

by IanO Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:09 am

sorry guys, I've not done this quote thing before and have put it in the wrong place...live and learn!

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