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Post by BearCuda on Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:24 pm

I know they are rare and stupid me couldn’t come up with the money when one was for sale last year on reverb. If anyone knows of one for sale please let me know, thanks.
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Post by Westbone on Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:50 pm

Have one in pearl white needs a bit of work rewiring(simple on these) etc but all there.
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Post by jorg on Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:55 pm

Not a Pantera but I do have a really nice Genesis II that I'm thinking about letting go. . . 
https://westone.forumotion.com/t6683-new-genesis-ii
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Post by Barry on Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:06 am

jorg wrote:Not a Pantera but I do have a really nice Genesis II that I'm thinking about letting go. . . 
https://westone.forumotion.com/t6683-new-genesis-ii
Aw Chris, no love for that beautiful Genesis? Puppy Eyes


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Post by Westbone on Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:59 am

I'll put some photos up of the X390PW soon.
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Post by ExFender on Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:27 am

jorg wrote:Not a Pantera but I do have a really nice Genesis II that I'm thinking about letting go. . . 
https://westone.forumotion.com/t6683-new-genesis-ii
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If you REALLY have to let it go, just send it to me!  I'll take real good care of it till you change your mind and maybe send it back Hairy & Wooly Evil or Very Mad
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Post by Westbone on Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:09 pm

Be serious man.

Looks like someone turned their underpants inside out..... Laughing

Only joking, nice guit
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Post by BearCuda on Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:42 pm

Looking forward to pics Westbone. How’s the body and neck finishes? I don’t care about the electronics or hardware as much but I’m pretty picky about the body when I acquire one of these. Thanks
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Post by BearCuda on Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:45 pm


Not a Pantera but I do have a really nice Genesis II that I'm thinking about letting go.

Thanks but I just got one pretty cheap on marketplace. My heart is with that x390
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Post by jorg on Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:09 pm

I understand and I certainly didn't mean to hijack your thread.
Throw some pics at us when you can.
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Post by Westbone on Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:45 pm

BearCuda wrote:Looking forward to pics Westbone. How’s the body and neck finishes? I don’t care about the electronics or hardware as much but I’m pretty picky about the body when I acquire one of these. Thanks

I'll dig it out. Haven't seen it for a good while.

Give me a few days.

Whereabouts are you in this world? I'm in the UK.
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Post by BearCuda on Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:25 pm

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Post by Westbone on Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:46 am

More than likely will need a cites certificate due to the ebony fingerboard.

Not prepared to go through all that rigmarole. So no shipping to the US.
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Post by ExFender on Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:19 pm

If I remember correctly, guitars made before the CITES mudhole are exempt from the certification proceedings.  I think only some kind of data showing date of manufacture is recommended and don't apply to private transactions.

I'll see if I can dig the ruling up.
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Post by ExFender on Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:27 pm

OK, I was only partially correct...

This is from the Taylor site:
For the vast majority of individual owners of guitars made with Dalbergia rosewood, the new CITES regulations won’t impact you. But if you were to buy or sell a guitar with Dalbergia rosewood internationally, the guitar would need proper CITES documentation for it to be sold legally. An example would be if you live in the U.S. and want to sell your rosewood Taylor 814ce to someone living in Canada. Before you could ship the guitar, you would need to apply for a re-export certificate from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, pay an application fee, wait to receive the certificate, and then include it with the guitar when you ship it. Also, at this time the guitar must be shipped through one of the “Designated Ports” with all pages of the permit so the shipment and permit can be inspected and validated/endorsed by properly credentialed Management Authority officials. Keep in mind that even if the guitar was produced before the regulations took effect (January 2, 2017), you still need a permit that identifies the guitar as “pre-Convention.” It’s recommended that prior to any international transaction you contact the CITES authorities in the destination country to confirm CITES import regulations, as they can differ country by country. Keep in mind that it could take a couple of months to receive the certificate, so given the time, expense and logistics, it will be easier to sell the guitar domestically.

Underling mine and most likely also pertains to ebony.
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Post by Westbone on Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:38 pm

That's  exactly why I can't be bothered.

The way things are going I'll have plenty of time to fix it up myself.
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Post by Barry on Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:04 pm

Westbone wrote:...
The way things are going I'll have plenty of time to fix it up myself.
No kidding eh?
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Post by BearCuda on Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:33 pm

Cites sounds like a bunch of BS to me
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Post by Westbone on Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:02 am

Link

Seeing as the fingerboard is African ebony.
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Post by Westbone on Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:14 am

Barry wrote:Hope you and all our UK members are coping well during the lock down Damian. Chores 4

So far so good.....the streets are very quite indeed around our way.

My son works in a hospital organising the doctors rota for the A+E dept.

He's been at work through all this. Just hope he doesn't pick up this virus. 
He has his own place(won't bring it to us) so fingers crossed for him and all folks in the NHS they'er doing a sterling job under immense pressure.

Take care out there you guys !!
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Post by ExFender on Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:14 am

BearCuda wrote:Cites sounds like a bunch of BS to me
I agree, to a point.  The stuff has been over-harvested and IS getting in short(end) supply.  Bureaucracy being what it is, it is MOST important to make everything as complicated as possible so that even versed attorney's can't make head or tails of it.

Does it apply for inter-EURO zone transport/sales?  I haven' been able to make sense of what I've found and I have a few fiddles in the UK on various platforms that I may try to get.
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Post by Westbone on Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:47 am

ExFender wrote:Does it apply for inter-EURO zone transport/sales?  I haven' been able to make sense of what I've found and I have a few fiddles in the UK on various platforms that I may try to get.

Not applicable to Europe.
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Post by BearCuda on Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:51 pm

Where’s the pics Westbone?
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Post by Westbone on Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:14 am

BearCuda wrote:Where’s the pics Westbone?

Can't be bothered to search for it at the moment. I'm 10 foot deep in guitars, no joke!

Have all the bits, string lock, truss rod cover and bridge MMK75 humbucker.

Here's some old photos.
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Post by Westbone on Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:22 am

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Here's the original thread from way back in 2011
Photobucket swallowed all the photos in their greed!

https://westone.forumotion.com/t2682-another-x390-pearly-white-rears-it-s-lovely-head?highlight=x390
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Post by Westbone on Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:34 am

And here's a minter... Wink
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Post by Barry on Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:46 am

I do love the sculptured design of the Pantera, and that pearl white finish.

But I don't think I could be comfortable with the weight of these babies. Any idea what she weighs?

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Post by jorg on Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:40 pm

What are they made of? My Genesis II isn't that heavy...
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Post by Barry on Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:44 pm

Genesis = Poplar (or ash)
Pantera = Maple

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Post by jorg on Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:44 am

Ok, now I understand. I would be interested to know her weight as well.
I would imagine the poplar construction is why the Genesis needs so much gain. How do we know if one is made of Ash and does anyone have one?
I'm betting the Pantera does not need as much?


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Post by Westbone on Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:01 am

My  CB X390 weighs 3kg/6.61lbs

They are a little thinner on the wings.

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Post by Barry on Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:02 am

Chris, the only version that is Ash is the trans brown finish. The others are Poplar.

The Genesis has a unique electronic configuration than most of the other Westies and does offer up a different sound when compared say with our beloved MMK45's.

As primarily a rhythm player, I struggled quite a lot with the the tone at first, which struck me as rather thin. Clean, but somewhat lacking the expected fuller range.

It doesn't suit every player's requirements and most of the boyz here have EQ'd the output to get what they're after.

On the plus side it's a really comfortable guitar to play and it forces you out of your musical rut, which is always good.

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Post by Barry on Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:09 am

Westbone wrote:My  CB X390 weighs 3kg/6.61lbs

They are a little thinner on the wings.
Thanks Damian.
Approx in the same range as a "traditional" Les Paul. Even so, I'll wager the Pantera is more comfortable on the strap.

Man, that really is a beautiful piece of sculpture.

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Post by jorg on Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:59 am

Thanks for the info Barry. I'm fairly certain the odd Genesis tone is due to the poplar. I say this from my building experience. My main guitar (I built it in '14 and it is affectionately known as #4) was built with poplar and it is so much like my Genesis. My rig is setup for #4 and I can plug in my Genesis with very slight modification. If I plug in anything else, the first thing I have to do is back the gain considerably. 
I'd love to compare my Genesis against an ash body. I'm willing to bet the ash body does not share the tonal characteristics of the poplar body.

And, I'm gonna have to agree, that sculptured body is some kind of sexy. . .


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Post by BearCuda on Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:17 pm

Thanks for the pics. What in the world happened to that fret board with all the little chunks out of it?
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Post by Westbone on Fri May 01, 2020 8:30 am

BearCuda wrote:Thanks for the pics. What in the world happened to that fret board with all the little chunks out of it?

The previous dipstick/owner pulled the frets. Obviously not very carefully. Dickhead!

Can be repaired, just haven't had the time.
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Post by Adey on Wed May 06, 2020 12:25 pm

Hmmmm. I sold my X390 to a guy in the States via ebay a while ago. He has one signed by Trevor Rabin, but wanted another to play on stage.

I've got a white X250 now cos I missed it.... :-(
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Post by BearCuda on Sat May 30, 2020 5:43 pm

If anyone has a nice x390, I’d be willing to trade a perfect condition line 6 helix board for it. Thanks.
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