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Post by moose Sun May 29, 2016 1:35 pm

I have 8 NOS Active circuit boards for sale, open to offers and will post.these came from FCN the UK distributors for Westone when they shut down a few years ago, forgot I had them!! they are new and unused   thunder - NOS Thunder 1A Active Circuit Boards  20160510
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Post by Sgt. Vimes Mon May 30, 2016 1:59 am

Dibs. I'll defo have one. 
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Post by Westbone Mon May 30, 2016 5:10 am

What is the cost of a board?
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Post by paulski71 Mon May 30, 2016 8:42 am

Hi Moose!

Is this the bass version or guitar? or are they the same?
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Post by Westbone Mon May 30, 2016 9:10 am

paulski71 wrote:Hi Moose!

Is this the bass version or guitar? or are they the same?
Same. It will work on a bass.
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Post by Sgt. Vimes Mon May 30, 2016 9:46 am

Westbone wrote:
paulski71 wrote:Hi Moose!

Is this the bass version or guitar? or are they the same?
Same. It will work on a bass.

So do the active eq and gain use the same circuit and it's just the pots that change the circuits behavior?
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Post by Barry Mon May 30, 2016 2:08 pm

Wow, super duper, just when you think you've seen just about everything Westone! Christmas comes early. Very Happy

Now, a request...can someone who buys one of these and is savvy in solid state electronics, document this thing so we can update our archive info going forward? A proper schematic would be great but at least detailed photos + a record of the component markings? The value of caps etc would be extremely helpful to those attempting a repair or build from scratch.

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Post by Westbone Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:33 am

Westbone wrote:What is the cost of a board?
Still awaiting an answer???
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Post by moose Wed Jun 01, 2016 4:46 am

Westbone wrote:
Westbone wrote:What is the cost of a board?
Still awaiting an answer???
Sorry I didnt see your question, I'm not sure what to ask for them so have asked for sensible offers 
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Post by junkmale Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:09 am

Do you have any of these left?
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Post by matsumokukuku Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:45 am

Way to go Barry....I concur on what he suggested. It would be great and helpful for that valuable information. Especially the photos.
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Post by Sgt. Vimes Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:52 am

junkmale wrote:Do you have any of these left?
 
I've got one that I bought but didn't use in the end, can't remember what I paid for it and the message convo has gone from my inbox, make an offer?
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Post by Barry Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:55 pm

Pete, are you able to help out with my request in post #7 before you sell it?

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Post by Sgt. Vimes Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:34 pm

Barry I wouldn't know where to start mate, schematics are hard enough to understand never mind creating one!
I can take as many photos as needed however but I'm not sure they'll be of much use Smile
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Post by Westbone Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:49 am

All the component values are marked on each.
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Post by Barry Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:34 am

I understand Pete, perhaps I shouldn't use the term "schematic". More like what we have already but in better detail using photos on which we can add labels.

Like Damian said, the values should be either be written on the components or can be determined via the colour bands.

If you can make some detailed photos we should be able to read the values off the photos. Additionally if you can write them down on a rough positional sketch I think we'd have everything needed for future reference. I or someone else can put it all together for the web site.

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Post by Sgt. Vimes Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:16 pm

I'll have a go when I get some time, I've got one of those natty little clip on macro lens jobbies for my phone, that should get some decent shots.
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Post by Barry Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:16 pm

Excellent!
We appreciate it, and, no rush mate, it's just for future reference eh?

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Post by Fitzroy Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:46 pm

My Thunder 1-A which I have had since new (my very first guitar) just had the active die yesterday. Switch works but no sound when active is turned on. I swapped out the batteries which were pretty fresh but as I feared still no sound when the active is on.

Just found this thread last night and a new board should fix the the issue so let me know if someone still has one for sale. I am located in Texas but also have a relatives in the UK if that is easier to ship to. 

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Post by Westbone Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:28 pm

Have a look here... cyclops

http://www.westoneguitars.net/fixme/wiring-diagrams/thunder-series—active-models/thunder-active-guitar—trouble-shooting-circuit-version-1/
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Post by Sgt. Vimes Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:50 am

Barry wrote:Pete, are you able to help out with my request in post #7 before you sell it?
 Barry I've still not found the time, or if I have I've forgotten (more likely)
How about I send it to you to do the necessary detailing?  and you can send it back whenever, no rush?
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Post by Barry Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:57 pm

Hey Pete, how are you?
Thanks for "remembering" Razz

I could possibly do it but it's an awfully long round trip eh?
Damian's had lots more experience than I with these things, and would be a better choice to give it the once over. And he's a heck of a lot closer too so less chance for damage to occur in transit.
Would you be able to do the honours Damian? Hello Wave
I'm happy to do any massaging of the images and/or notes after the data collection, and prep it for the web.

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Post by Sgt. Vimes Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:07 pm

Barry wrote:Hey Pete, how are you?


I'm good thanks, just mad busy with work/family stuff.


Thanks for "remembering" Razz

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I could possibly do it but it's an awfully long round trip eh?
Damian's had lots more experience than I with these things, and would be a better choice to give it the once over. And he's a heck of a lot closer too so less chance for damage to occur in transit.
Would you be able to do the honours Damian? Hello Wave
I'm happy to do any massaging of the images and/or notes after the data collection, and prep it for the web.



I thought Damian already had a spare or two of these?  I may be remembering wrong....that's fine by me.
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Post by Barry Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:15 pm

Damian, if you're unable to, I'll take a stab at it.
Just don't moan if it ain't right! Pirouette

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Post by Westbone Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:57 am

No problem.

I've plenty 'boards' to hand.

What exactly do you need??
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Post by Barry Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:29 am

Sweet! Thanks. I'll leave it up to you matey.

I think a proper schematic is a bit much to ask and a lot of work. Ultimately, all most folks would need is a few clear photos with the components identified so they know what they're dealing with.

It should be obvious to see what is connected to what in the the picture since it's a PC board. We have to assume that anyone referring to the information has an idea of what they're doing.

CLARIFICATION NEEDED
I'm assuming the same circuit is used in all active versions of the Thunder but with different hook up? External connection points are unclear in the current Thunder diagrams. I'm not sure how we sort that.

If you could take a bunch of pix and perhaps do a rough version, nothing too fancy, just numbered labels, I can take your draft and transfer the info to a final version if you like. (Just give me clean versions of the pix along with your marked up one).
e.g. "1"---> (points to a resistor on photo)    Description of #1 - 220Ω (and/or band colours?) etc...

If you'd rather do a final version that's OK too, as I say, up to you how much time you have. I'm happy to finish it up if that works better for you.

Cheers to you both for your help!

p.s. David Blair did a nice job of explaining one of the circuits HERE I think if we follow the same general approach and build on it with larger pictures, especially the underside, we're good.

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Post by Westbone Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:16 pm

Just looking at your avatar Barry you have a board in your Thunder.

Anyone who intends to make one will obviously be able to read all the values.

This is handy.

https://www.digikey.com/en/resources/conversion-calculators/conversion-calculator-resistor-color-code-4-band
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Post by Barry Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:34 pm

Yeah, actually I have two of 'em, in two Thunders. But I ain't about to disconnect 'em to take pictures!  Mad

Much better if you have an uninstalled one for the pix. Then I can certainly reference my own T's for additional clarification.

Nice resistor calculator reference. Thanks.

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Post by Westbone Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:58 pm

All mine are also in guitars.

You don't need to disconnect them to take photos.
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Post by Barry Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:28 pm

Geez this is getting way too complicated and I'm not looking for a debate or argument. I just thought you'd be the best person to look at this project. If you don't want to do it, no problem.

When you said you had "lots of boards on hand" I took it to mean you had spares. The point of this exercise is to get unencumbered shots of the board itself, not the board in situ.

This is to be a PC board reference for someone trouble shooting or attempting a new build replacement.

It's not a wiring installation. Background clutter, stray wiring, and dubious lighting is not too helpful when you're trying to understand the board's design.

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Post by Westbone Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:37 pm

Two nuts and it's all there and easy to take photos.

Don't complicate things with mentioning wires and the like.

If I find the time I'll take some photos but you have exactly the same as myself. So see no difference.
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Post by fotoman99 Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:53 am

Hi, 
I know this is a pretty old thread but did any of you guys got to find out all the components values and PCB design/ schematic so tha I can make one circuit from scratch... I have a westone Thunder II bass without the electronics and would like to get it back to the original specs.
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Post by Purge Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:05 am

You should find all the details you need here -
www.zombans.co.uk/westone/active/
The bass circuit is the same for all Thunder basses. There are pcb track and component differences between the bass and first and second guitar boards, they are not interchangeable.
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Post by ExFender Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:36 am

Purge wrote:You should find all the details you need here -
www.zombans.co.uk/westone/active/
The bass circuit is the same for all Thunder basses. There are pcb track and component differences between the bass and first and second guitar boards, they are not interchangeable.
I got this warning when I tried to acces the "zombans" site:

Firefox detected a potential security threat and did not continue to www.zombans.co.uk. If you visit this site, attackers could try to steal information like your passwords, emails, or credit card details.

What can you do about it?

The issue is most likely with the website, and there is nothing you can do to resolve it. You can notify the website’s administrator about the problem.
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Post by Purge Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:42 am

odd, works for me in Firefox. There is no security risk, it's one of my sites and there is literally nothing else on it
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Post by Purge Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:50 am

aha! Firefox does say not secure here but loads the page, that will happen on any site that doesn't have an SSL certificate. If your security settings in Firefox are high /strict - which is described as 'may  cause some sites to break' - that might stop the page from loading, the standard security setting lets you access it. Barry has seen the site so I don't think it's a universal problem.
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Post by ExFender Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:11 pm

Firefox updated for me yesterday to version 80.0.  I hadn't checked to see if any changes to my security settings were "altered" and they are still at "standard".  My tracker block is activated, tho.

Error states that the SSL Certificate is not valid for the site (The certificate is only valid for the following names: *.secure-secure.co.uk, secure-secure.co.uk)


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Post by Purge Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:18 pm

Not sure what to suggest, can't think of anything that would cause that to happen. My Firefox is version 78.2 and up to date, there's no newer version for my OS so I can't try to replicate what you're getting, all I can do is say the site is safe.
If you do manage to get on the site you'll find component lists, layouts and PCB track patterns and more for all the Thunder active circuits


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Post by Barry Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:14 pm

I just checked with Firefox 80 and I am getting the warning now too. It does relate to the certificate which is invalid for this site.

Chrome loaded the site OK but showed an "Insecure" message.

Here's a simple workaround:
Since we know the site is safe just remove the "s" from "https" in the URL and reload the site. Wink

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Post by Purge Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:24 pm

Not sure what Firefox 80 is playing at there since there is no https in www.zombans.co.uk/westone/active/

The certificate isn't just invalid, it doesn't exist and never has.
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Post by Barry Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:47 pm

The latest protocols assume that URLs are connecting via a secure connection (HTTPS) so that prefix is appended automatically to your address unless you specify HTTP. That's how we're able to work around it by dropping the "s".

When the connection is not secured we see these kinds of privacy warnings.
I just checked with Opera and it says:

This server could not prove that it is www.zombans.co.uk; its security certificate is from *.secure-secure.co.uk. This may be caused by a misconfiguration or an attacker intercepting your connection.
NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID

David, the problem of security certification is a server side issue and lay with your Internet host provider. You would need to have a chat with them to resolve.

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Post by Purge Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:19 pm

I think personally the protocols are paranoid, can't imagine many personal websites have certificates - none of mine do and my provider only issues them at a cost per site of £49.99 per site. Never mind, this isn't really an appropriate subject for a guitar forum.
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Post by Barry Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:55 pm

Purge wrote:...my provider only issues them at a cost per site of £49.99 per site...
Therein lies the problem. This should not be a profit centre item.

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Post by ExFender Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:00 pm

Thanks for the tip on dropping the "s" in https.  Bookmarked Smile.
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Post by fotoman99 Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:30 pm

Hi Purge and ExFender thank you for your answer, unfortunatly I am also unable to open the link on Chrome with or without the "S" on HTTP... can I get that information from elseware? Thanks
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Post by Barry Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:49 pm

ExFender wrote:Thanks for the tip on dropping the "s" in https.  Bookmarked Smile.
Glad it helped you Pete.  Coffee Drinker

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Post by Barry Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:03 pm

fotoman99 wrote:Hi Purge and ExFender thank you for your answer, unfortunatly I am also unable to open the link on Chrome with or without the "S" on HTTP... can I get that information from elseware? Thanks
No, not available yet but the plan is to copy the info to our website soon.

Meanwhile, I just checked with both Firefox and Chrome again and I had no problem connecting.

Be sure your final URL address looks like this (copy and paste this one):
http://www.zombans.co.uk/westone/active/
Hit enter

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