Locking machine heads for a Cutlas Classic ??
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Locking machine heads for a Cutlas Classic ??
I would like to replace the machine heads on my Cutlass Classic. Despite some ongoing maintenance the G and now the D are dropping pitch on a regular basis.
I have decided to go for a locking design and as my main gigging guitar I am happy to spend a little extra to get the right quality. (the originals will be kept in a safe place)
Looking on the Gotoh site they mention gear ratio and weight, so my question is what information do I need to give in order to get the best fit replacements for what is already there, which is the better ratio to go for?. Would prefer not to have to drill extra holes if possible just from an aesthetic perspective but if needs must.
Many thanks guys
Link: https://s1016.photobucket.com/user/Meadows61/library/cutlass%20machine%20heads?sort=3&page=1
I have decided to go for a locking design and as my main gigging guitar I am happy to spend a little extra to get the right quality. (the originals will be kept in a safe place)
Looking on the Gotoh site they mention gear ratio and weight, so my question is what information do I need to give in order to get the best fit replacements for what is already there, which is the better ratio to go for?. Would prefer not to have to drill extra holes if possible just from an aesthetic perspective but if needs must.
Many thanks guys
Link: https://s1016.photobucket.com/user/Meadows61/library/cutlass%20machine%20heads?sort=3&page=1
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Re: Locking machine heads for a Cutlas Classic ??
I'm no expert on these Si, but I think you'll have difficulty finding machines with the screw hole at 90 degrees to the shaft, I've looked hard in the past to find a set like these with no joy, I think you'll have to redrill for the screws.
good luck mate.
good luck mate.
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Umm....evidently I didn't look hard enough
Gotoh SG360...not locking machines...but 90 degree screw holes..
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Gotoh SG360...not locking machines...but 90 degree screw holes..
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Morning Pete, hope your keeping well buddy.
Thanks for the reply, I think given this one will be a keeper for life I can live with a few extra holes, it will be part of it's history, and if someone is standing close enough to see the holes from behind then they sure ain't going to miss the bald spot on top![Very Happy](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_biggrin.png)
Thanks for the reply, I think given this one will be a keeper for life I can live with a few extra holes, it will be part of it's history, and if someone is standing close enough to see the holes from behind then they sure ain't going to miss the bald spot on top
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Thanks, will check them out but if I can I would prefer locking this time around
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Re: Locking machine heads for a Cutlas Classic ??
Kluson does 90° tags, and these....
http://guitar-parts.biz/hp292359/M6-Mini-Toplocking.htm
I bought a set of Schecter lockers for my Raider and they work well but they have 45° tags....
http://guitar-parts.biz/hp292359/M6-Mini-Toplocking.htm
I bought a set of Schecter lockers for my Raider and they work well but they have 45° tags....
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Re: Locking machine heads for a Cutlas Classic ??
hmm...seems there are loads of 90° sets out there..
Hipshot also have a good name
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Hipshot-ENCLOSED-GEAR-Grip-Lock-tuning-machines-3x3-BLACK-/290971986096?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item43bf4828b0
I'm not sure on gear ratios, but I think the most important measurement you'll need is the shaft dia. most probably 10mm
Hipshot also have a good name
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Hipshot-ENCLOSED-GEAR-Grip-Lock-tuning-machines-3x3-BLACK-/290971986096?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item43bf4828b0
I'm not sure on gear ratios, but I think the most important measurement you'll need is the shaft dia. most probably 10mm
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Thanks guys
Just out of interest how important is the gearing ratio they are listing?
Just out of interest how important is the gearing ratio they are listing?
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Re: Locking machine heads for a Cutlas Classic ??
I'd guess for locking tuners, not very important at all, seeing as how you aren't going to be winding the peg much at all.
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Ok, that makes sense, thanks, will get on the phone tomorrow and see what is available. Those Kluson's look really well made. Thanks again for the help guys
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Re: Locking machine heads for a Cutlas Classic ??
Found these on the bay which look like they should fit the bill
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gotoh-301-Magnum-Locking-3-Aside-Machineheads-/251444450764?pt=UK_Guitar_Accessories&hash=item3a8b41d5cc
and they have a similar look and vibe to the originals![Smile](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gotoh-301-Magnum-Locking-3-Aside-Machineheads-/251444450764?pt=UK_Guitar_Accessories&hash=item3a8b41d5cc
and they have a similar look and vibe to the originals
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Re: Locking machine heads for a Cutlas Classic ??
Have you tried simply tightening up the screws on the buttons? It's one of the first things I do to guitars I intend to keep, I keep them all very tight and more often than not that stops any tuning instability, just make sure you have the right sized screwdriver as it's far too easy to slip and rough up the screw head.
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Thanks Pete
There was a small amount of adjustment in the screws so have tightened them up quite firmly and will see how it holds through the week, and if it saves getting a new sett right now...total bonus![Smile](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif)
There was a small amount of adjustment in the screws so have tightened them up quite firmly and will see how it holds through the week, and if it saves getting a new sett right now...total bonus
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Re: Locking machine heads for a Cutlas Classic ??
That little screw in the tuner button should only really act on the crush washer between the button and the turret thereby merely firming up how the button feels but yeah, sometimes I've noticed it seems to tighten everthing up, eh!
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Re: Locking machine heads for a Cutlas Classic ??
Yep, two points to keep snug on machine heads: the hex nut (vertical pressure) and the button screw (horizontal pressure). Note, "snug" not overly tight.
A very easy maintenance item and most often overlooked. Usually corrects all but the very worst of conditions.
And yes, you can get all anal about it, but gear ratio on a locking tuner is largely irrelevant since you are only making a maximum of about a 180º turn.
A very easy maintenance item and most often overlooked. Usually corrects all but the very worst of conditions.
And yes, you can get all anal about it, but gear ratio on a locking tuner is largely irrelevant since you are only making a maximum of about a 180º turn.
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