Wanted! Westone Corsair GT

corsair wrote:G'day Ryan; which version of the GT did you have? I'll assume you've seen this...

http://www.westone.info/corsairgt.html

I'm sort-of after a Corsair 1440 in shocking pink myself!! "sort-of" because there are other guitars I MUST get before that one...

corsair wrote:In which case yours could have been a Japanese Westone rather than a Korean one, but we'll probably never know now, eh! It must be said, they are a good looking guitar, and I've found that Bendmaster bridge a very good one for a single locking set-up...
Did yours have a reverse headstock?

Westbone wrote:Corsair GT , Have a red Spectrum series II sp 6112 in red seethru maple top, bendmaster delux trem, white closed p/ups, in good nick, plays very well. Basically same guitar.

nasticanasta wrote:The worst piece of junk ever....

corsair wrote:

nasticanasta wrote:The worst piece of junk ever....

You have got to be kidding....I guess some people will "put up" with any old crap. I wonder what the % of Floyd to bend is on Pantera's... I bet we find that most people swapped out that master junk for a real working Floyd. here's a picture of my X-275 Pantera I naturally gutted in favor of EMG's and a nice Kahler... there are these little extensions that hold down the string on a bendmaster.... ugh what junk... dive bombing with that crap rubbed against those and caused the strings to go out of tune... I played in bands playing rock and roll.... doing Trower divebombs with a bendmaster would be pointless.... I'm fully aware of how to set up any tremolo, I set up my 72 tele custom maple neck on an 85 Fander strat body with a stock floating bridge and spertzel locking tuners... that thing never goes out of tune... here's a picture of the fender and the pantera .. I also have a Trevoer Rabin Signature Series III with a TRS-1 Floyd rose type westone tremolo... it beats the crap out of the "get bent master". And my Ibanez RG4EX1QM (with its so-called problematic Edge III which is because people try to set the Edge III parallel to the body ....incorrect!!)beats the sh!t out of whatever the "get-bent-master" could ever hope in far off dreams to be. Even if you ever got the tremolo to work which i seriously doubt dive bombing that crap cause it never could handle even average use,the pickups sucked also... as you can see all my guitars are gutted for EMG's nuttin' wrong with wanting the best.


Now that's hardly constructive criticism, now is it?! What do you find is the problem with them; I have 3 on various guitars - properly set up, of course - and find them as reliable as an FR or anything else I've ever played in 30 years....

Court, could you put some pictures up of your guitar; I'd like to see it and I'm sure some of the other bods would too?!!

there are these little extensions that hold down the string on a bendmaster

I bet we find that most people swapped out that master junk for a real working Floyd

ugh what junk.

corsair wrote:Calm down; it's only a guitar, not the solution to world peace!!

Look, I've also played in all kinds of bands and done my own luthiering for nigh on 30 years now and, really, have found nothing wrong with with the Bendmaster at all; so, that's subjective as well - you haven't given any reasoned argument why you dislike them so much!

there are these little extensions that hold down the string on a bendmaster

Where? The strings on mine come up over the roller saddles, straight through to the locking device and then to the tuners....

I bet we find that most people swapped out that master junk for a real working Floyd

..and in here, I'll bet we don't!! Wrong forum for mindless slagging off of the brand, bro. Perhaps you'd be happier somewhere else?

As for the swapping out of the MMKs to whack in EMGs without giving said MMKs a decent wring out: all that's going to do is make you sound like every other widdly guitarist out there and I have always preferred to sound at least a little different to the herd!!

As I said at the start, settle down, take a deep breath and discuss the issue like a reasonable human being, eh, with reasoned points for discussion; not

ugh what junk.

?!

nasticanasta wrote: it can't handle a dive, even the locking nuts suck. just pieces of metal... absolute junk.

corsair wrote:

nasticanasta wrote: it can't handle a dive, even the locking nuts suck. just pieces of metal... absolute junk.

..as are the locks on the FR, halfwit!! I can certainly accept that you don't like them; I'm just saying be constructive as opposed to mindless ranting!!

Barry wrote:Ya know if I start to tee off on this block head (as I've been known to do in the past with other a-holes here) I'll likely find my self banned from this forum for foul language.

What is it in here lately? Did somebody poison the beer supply or something? We just had another rude obnoxious new member get thrown out because he had no manners and wouldn't follow some simple posting rules, even given several chances to correct himself.
He, like this 'maroon' wanted to rant and spit instead of converse.

You may "know what you know" smart ass but that doesn't mean you know everything. There are plenty of experienced, and talented people in this forum too; performers, players, technicians, collectors, designers, as well as none other than Tom Presley himself who recently joined the Forum. And if you don't know that name, I suggest that you know nothing of which you speak.

He, and we, also "know what we know".

You have a choice Nasti man:
stop being an abusive jerk, apologize to a senior member who has shown you nothing but politeness, then share what you know instead of beating people over the head with it, and in the process maybe learn something new from us...

...or, you know, just piss off!
Life's too short to be wasting time and bandwidth with such negative and argumentative people such as you.

nasticanasta wrote:what you all fail to see is.. I expressed my very well documented opinion on this crappy tremolo... it is everyone who cried and bawled over it who abused this place.... just face the fact I don't like this tremolo and fdeal with it... it is you all who are demanding I "bend to your will" if you just want robots here who do not have any opinions whatsoever then I will leave, it is no place for me or anyone else who has or believes in free thought. Again... all I did was state my opinion on a crummy piece of junk that I found on several Pantera's I owned and they sucked. that's it. I'm sorry you do not like people who dissagree with you. I don't know what else to tell you but, do not go outside your house...there are people with ideas and thoughts that differ from yours...this could be quite a jolt to your system that it may cause mental or physical harm to you.

Barry wrote:Ya know if I start to tee off on this block head (as I've been known to do in the past with other a-holes here) I'll likely find my self banned from this forum for foul language.

What is it in here lately? Did somebody poison the beer supply or something? We just had another rude obnoxious new member get thrown out because he had no manners and wouldn't follow some simple posting rules, even given several chances to correct himself.
He, like this 'maroon' wanted to rant and spit instead of converse.

You may "know what you know" smart ass but that doesn't mean you know everything. There are plenty of experienced, and talented people in this forum too; performers, players, technicians, collectors, designers, as well as none other than Tom Presley himself who recently joined the Forum. And if you don't know that name, I suggest that you know nothing of which you speak.

He, and we, also "know what we know".

You have a choice Nasti man:
stop being an abusive jerk, apologize to a senior member who has shown you nothing but politeness, then share what you know instead of beating people over the head with it, and in the process maybe learn something new from us...

...or, you know, just piss off!
Life's too short to be wasting time and bandwidth with such negative and argumentative people such as you.

Warrn wrote:You might not see it in your own writing, but since this is text and we cannot get a proper grasp of emotion through it, you don't sound like a nice or reasonable person. Everyone has their own opinions on what sounds good or bad and what works well or not. You don't need to insult someone's skill level just because they like stock pickups and tremolos. Personally, I don't like EMG's pickups, but I'm a bassist so I'm unfamiliar with their guitar pickups. The EMG equipped basses I've played sounded very flat.

If you like having a Floyd Rose and a set of EMGs, that's fine, but you don't need to go on and on about your dislike of the stock parts, especially considering I couldn't figure out where you were saying the problem was with the tremolo, and it seems like I wasn't the only one who had trouble understanding your message. Obviously, everyone is at fault here for this little flame war, but you're not helping to calm anyone down when you refuse to accept that most people here are quite fond of what their guitars came with. If you really didn't care, you'd just leave it at "I have my opinion and you have yours".

Really though, everyone needs to stop, or this argument will go on until the moderators kick someone out. We are generally nice people in here, and if you'd drop this argument maybe you could come to see that.

nasticanasta wrote:are you sure you play guitar.. for real I mean.. not just picking with it in yer basement learning the brady bunch theme?

Warrn wrote:

nasticanasta wrote:are you sure you play guitar.. for real I mean.. not just picking with it in yer basement learning the brady bunch theme?

This is where I saw an insult, and I'm pretty sure it was taken as one. As for the argument, calling the tremolo "junk" is going a bit far in my opinion. I looked on Harmony Central and most of the reviews of guitars with Bendmasters are very positive. The reviews for the "Westone Bendmaster Deluxe" are for late 80s/early 90s models that are not as well regarded in terms of quality; they don't even have the model names on them, so the writers of the review went by the print on the tremolo. Regardless of this, your experience is your experience. Calling it junk offended those who like it, and your explanation didn't initially seem to be very clear. Who started the argument is irrelevant.

As for my distaste of EMGs, I was only bringing it up because I have some experience with them, where I can't relate to an argument over floating bridges because I've got no experience with them. It may not have been the focus of the argument, but there were a few comments on it. You aren't the only user here with an EMG-equipped Westone, and I believe there are a few with Duncans and DiMarzios as well. The main source of conflict over this was that it seemed you threw out the originals without trying them, based on how you phrased it. If you still have them around somewhere, someone here would likely be happy to take them off your hands.

I think the main source of the flaring tempers here seems to be that none of us are used to your typing style. It's certainly unique for this small forum, and I've only encountered similar personalities on bigger forums (where, as here, some users would get quite upset over the tone they assumed was nothing but insulting). Sarcasm just doesn't work well in text until people are more familiar with you. Hopefully once everyone has calmed down over this little spat, you won't mind sharing your music with us. I'd love to hear what your Rabin can do.

nasticanasta wrote:now I know your lying.... and yes I said the get bent master deluxe which was on the Pantera's i own... my experience told me this was junk.. I can't offend an inanimate object.. and for someone to take up a defensive position on how I like or dislike is down right loony. Saying someone plays the brady bunch theme isnt an insult i asked a question...oh ya work on your symantics cause i never once said that he did.. i asked... if he did, for I do not know. I guessed.... regardless of what you want to rationalize it was a question. and as far as named models having the get bent maser deluxe... it was on all my pantera's... for someone claiming to know so much you failed that time.... lol now you try and perceive an exact timeline for when I gutted my pantera.... wow you assume alot.... there's the next failure in yer theory... you assumed... yes I listened to them and i didn't like them.... gosh how do Seymour Duncan and EMG even stay afloat? according to you all these products are the worst... hey.. ya know what... you sound like what you accused me of... well well well... And yes your explanation is so unclear it's like muddy water. the very fact you think you can convince me otherwise shows your lack of understanding. believe me the only thing upsetting is your retorts... I on the other hand delight in debate and am willing to debate this note for note... the true down to earth basics of this whole discussion is... I didn't like the get bent master deluxe crap and you do...whoopie! I am happy, and you can cut down what true professionals use (cause you know more than them, it's clear from all your cd's you put out) all you want and it will not bother me one inkling... I don't see why it should anyways. calling what i think is junk is appropriate I would alert anyone to what I thought was junk and you should too. Keep it up.. you somehow love this.

Warrn wrote:

nasticanasta wrote:are you sure you play guitar.. for real I mean.. not just picking with it in yer basement learning the brady bunch theme?

This is where I saw an insult, and I'm pretty sure it was taken as one. As for the argument, calling the tremolo "junk" is going a bit far in my opinion. I looked on Harmony Central and most of the reviews of guitars with Bendmasters are very positive. The reviews for the "Westone Bendmaster Deluxe" are for late 80s/early 90s models that are not as well regarded in terms of quality; they don't even have the model names on them, so the writers of the review went by the print on the tremolo. Regardless of this, your experience is your experience. Calling it junk offended those who like it, and your explanation didn't initially seem to be very clear. Who started the argument is irrelevant.

As for my distaste of EMGs, I was only bringing it up because I have some experience with them, where I can't relate to an argument over floating bridges because I've got no experience with them. It may not have been the focus of the argument, but there were a few comments on it. You aren't the only user here with an EMG-equipped Westone, and I believe there are a few with Duncans and DiMarzios as well. The main source of conflict over this was that it seemed you threw out the originals without trying them, based on how you phrased it. If you still have them around somewhere, someone here would likely be happy to take them off your hands.

I think the main source of the flaring tempers here seems to be that none of us are used to your typing style. It's certainly unique for this small forum, and I've only encountered similar personalities on bigger forums (where, as here, some users would get quite upset over the tone they assumed was nothing but insulting). Sarcasm just doesn't work well in text until people are more familiar with you. Hopefully once everyone has calmed down over this little spat, you won't mind sharing your music with us. I'd love to hear what your Rabin can do.

Warrn wrote:I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. I tried to make the language in my posts as calm as possible. I can see why you might take it otherwise, as you've been on the defensive from the start of the arguing. I don't want to read any more silly arguments, I don't want to point fingers over who started it, I just want to read about, look at, and possibly hear some guitars. I don't care what pickups are in them or what tremolo (if any) is used. Doesn't even have to be a Westone or Matsumoku. I'm not trying to damn you, I was just hoping I could try and ease off the arguing. I failed.

After you said, several times, that you were being sarcastic, I reread a few of your posts with that in mind and found them less abrasive than I initially perceived. That said, I don't want to argue about tremolos or pickups anymore. This whole thing is beyond silly.

You have two beautiful Panteras, and that's all that matters. As I said, I would love to hear them or see them in action.

Warrn wrote:Now these are the kinds of posts I want to see! Barry, Corsair, everybody else, I think we need to forget this argument happened. Nasticanasta seems like a nice enough guy to me, just read his first posts in addition to these last two! There's no reason to get bent (hah!) out of shape over his swapping out the Bendmaster or pickups; he's here because he genuinely loves his Westones. Let's everybody just calm down and get to know the guy before we kick him out over a misunderstanding.

nasticanasta wrote:Thanks but thats 1 (one) Pantera, the other is a TRS-III I thought too at first they were the same, but they arn't the body shape is slightly different, plus the weight of a pantera is at least a whole pound more if not more...one hting that drew me to the Pantera's in the first place was the shape then it was the neck that sold me, back then I wanted a real BC Rich but they were way too expensive for me and the necks are very simular (I like wide thin necks).. but the TRS has such a faster neck there is no real comparrison....does anyone know how many of these Westone made? I read somehwere that they only made like 300 or 350 of these. All I know is i search the web at least 1-2 times a week looking for another TRS... I do know there is one TRS out there that I know is gone.. because I bought the neck from it off Ebay last year.... for $45!!!!! what a steal, the guy who sold it said the body was trashed.. so theres at least one TRS I will never get. If and when I get some real $$$$ i would love to take this extra TRS neck and have Ed Roman make an exact body of a TRS III and make a custom guitar for me (he will...)


oh ya I always forget the Ibanez JEMvw

Warrn wrote:I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. I tried to make the language in my posts as calm as possible. I can see why you might take it otherwise, as you've been on the defensive from the start of the arguing. I don't want to read any more silly arguments, I don't want to point fingers over who started it, I just want to read about, look at, and possibly hear some guitars. I don't care what pickups are in them or what tremolo (if any) is used. Doesn't even have to be a Westone or Matsumoku. I'm not trying to damn you, I was just hoping I could try and ease off the arguing. I failed.

After you said, several times, that you were being sarcastic, I reread a few of your posts with that in mind and found them less abrasive than I initially perceived. That said, I don't want to argue about tremolos or pickups anymore. This whole thing is beyond silly.

You have two beautiful Panteras, and that's all that matters. As I said, I would love to hear them or see them in action.

nasticanasta wrote: I played in a thrash band way back in the 90's played all over Columbus called Extractor. P.S. I really don't like thrash. lol

corsair wrote:

nasticanasta wrote: I played in a thrash band way back in the 90's played all over Columbus called Extractor. P.S. I really don't like thrash. lol

Ah, yes - the things we do to play music to a crowd and feed the performing addiction!! I've played many genres up to and including "Mary Hopkins numbers on acoustic in wine bars", to quote Vim Fuego!! Country, C&W, bluegrass, pop, funk, disco, metal, hard rock, soft rock, and every type of jazz just to feed the fever and to be 'in a band', which is either fabulously good or horrendously bad!!

That'd be Columbus, Ohio yes?

corsair wrote:Nah, bro - let's leave it there to remind ourselves not to be so bloody precious!!!!

nasticanasta wrote:hey is there any way we can rid this community of the "cra-zee debatee" as in removing all we posted over this grave misunderstanding by all including me?... I feel so embarrassed over it