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Post by corsair on Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:36 pm

OK, OK... I know this has been a long time coming, but I'm starting to move forward; a little!

It occurs to me that I have Bendmaster FT and Bendmaster Deluxe bridges in the spares box, and these things came out with Bendmaster gear as the Spectrum II so that is a way forward without breaking the bank by replacing the Kahler or by having the hole filled in professionally and hard tailing it, which was my preferred option. I found, however, that my woodworking skills weren't up to the task, considering I'm trying to keep the OEM finish...

So. I offered up both bridges, and it helped that the post spacing for the Kahler was the same as the post spacing for the Bendmaster, though the inserts required some ...persuasion! I was getting quite excited at this stage until I ran a straight edge and a level across the saddles and up the neck, whereupon I found that the stringpack is going to need moving across about 2.5mm, thus the post holes need to be filled and new holes drilled; hardly insurmountable and will be the way forward.

The question I'm asking the readership here is which one do you like better in the oversized hole that a bloody Kahler requires; the FT, or the Deluxe??

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Post by Barry on Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:28 pm

Holy cr@p, that's a big 'ole mate! Snackin

Well, the Deluxe certainly looks more at home in that wading pool and it would seem to be more aesthetically in tune with the overall design of the Corsair.

What's the plan for the crater then, paint it out?

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Post by knicelyr on Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:34 pm

Pretty guitar!
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Post by knicelyr on Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:27 pm

I have an idea for the hole.

I put cut some rubber to put under my trem when I changed out my bendmaster.

You could cut a piece and epoxy it below the trem and it would look like it was supposed to be there!John's Corsair... B09d7c10
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Post by corsair on Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:21 am

You know, there was originally a thin strip of foam rubber on that ledge and I am indeed planning to put something there. I've already painted it flat black and it looks heaps better, especially with a black Deluxe!
The width of the stringpack at the nut is 37mm and the width of the Deluxe is 53mm, and I am assumng - at the minute - that the scale length is Fender so I have a little bit of fettling to do, repositioning the bridge.
Bit of research to do....

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Post by corsair on Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:57 am

A request for the hive mind....

.... does anyone here have a Corsair? I need to know the scale length....

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Post by Westbone on Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:19 am

Didn't you get a neck with that?
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Post by corsair on Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:52 am

Yep, I did but I don't know where the saddles are on a Kahler 2710 in relation to the post holes. I figure if I know the scale length, then I can take the measurement from the front edge of the locking nut to wherever it goes, mark it and work out the optimal position for the Bendmaster.
You have any suggestions? I'm happy to be corrected/advised, mate!!

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Post by Westbone on Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:30 am

Measure from the nut to the 12th fret and double it.
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Post by corsair on Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:41 am

.... of course you do!! Thank you... I can be remarkably dense sometimes!

While you're there... the Kahler looks to sit flush with the body and the Bendmasters are designed to sit above the body; can you see any major issues with that, aside from having the posts wound out a bit more that is usual for these things?? It could make the bridge a little unstable although I suppose string tension will keep it taut enough?

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Post by Westbone on Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:03 am

Don't foresee any problems
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Post by corsair on Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:44 am

OK troops; I have a smallish problem that is causing me grief..

I have a Bendmaster Deluxe to put in the hole and I need to find an optimum position for the bridge anchors... normally no great issue as you find the scale length, which I've done, put the saddles in the middle of their range and whacko - Robert's your muvvers' bruvver!! You should have enough movement fore and aft for any intonation issues.

Bendmaster Deluxes have a series of threaded holes which are angled across the plate....

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... which make finding a middle position a little tricky. The distance from the edge of the bridge to the back of the furthest hole is 11mm on one and 8mm on the other; do I halve the error and make a 'middle' line 9.5mm across the plate to establish a saddle line??
And where should I set the saddle line: surely not at 25.5"; this would not allow much backwards movement of the saddle should it require it?! Perhaps saddles at 25.25"?

Am I over-thinking this? Any suggestions most abjectly gratefully accepted!! :-D

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Post by Westbone on Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:28 am

Those holes in the plate are to give the saddles more scope for intonation.

Angled from fat E to skinny E as a normal guitar bridge would appear when set up.

If you have another guitar with a BMD use it as a template.
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Post by corsair on Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:09 am

Yes, I know they are.

I realise that, but a normal bridge has long screws and springs on the saddles so lining the saddles up in the middle of the intonation screw travel is easy. You're saying take a line from the front hole on the low E to the back hole on the high E and I should be within cooee for the purposes of the exercise??

I do indeed have other BMD equipped guitars, but their saddles are all over the place and their intonation is bang on - what about my last; where should I set the saddle line on the scale length? 25¼" 25½"

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Post by Westbone on Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:44 pm

Well it's a 25.5" scale so it is... Thumb Up....in the middle of the adjustment range.
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Post by corsair on Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:58 pm

OK; we're moving forward, albeit slowly...

looking pretty good over the frets - there's 3.5mm on both terminal frets from the string to the edge of the fingerboard...

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However, when I marked the anchor posts, I realised that the fillet of wood behind the high E string anchor will be miniscule and will breakout under strain.

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So... do I move the bridge forward a ¼", or do I reinforce the wood with a piece of aluminium epoxied and screwed into place? I've done this before on that red Avenger so it may be the way forward as I really don't want to deny the guitar any intonation travel...

That piece of wood in the recess under the front of the bridge may well be staying there as this bridge is designed to sit above the body surface, and from what I've seen of the Kahler, its' design is semi-recessed. What that means in real terms is that if the BMD goes into the same space as the Kahler, the posts will have to be wound out to get the action correct far more than they are on any other BMD guitar I have here, which can't be good for tuning stability or anything else!

Thoughts, gentlemen, please...

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Post by Westbone on Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:10 am

Well the threaded insert will sit through your bit of wood and into the body.

By the time the inserts are in that fillet will have gone.

The force is forward up the neck not backwards.
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Post by corsair on Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:37 am

Yes, but while the top of the post is pulled towards the neck, the laws of physics tell us that the bottom of the anchor will push out in the other direction; this one already has a small piece of wood pushed out at the bottom of the post anchor, and my Vantage strat had the same issue. 
Do you agree with my supposition about the relative height of the saddles on the Kahler .v. BMD?

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Post by Westbone on Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:27 am

 this one already has a small piece of wood pushed out at the bottom of the post anchor, and my Vantage strat had the same issue. wrote:Do you agree with my supposition about the relative height of the saddles on the Kahler .v. BMD?


No wonder Mile sold it, just fix it best you can.
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Post by knicelyr on Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:25 am

Could you use a metal plate and epoxy and screw it to the stronger wood below? maybe then epoxy a piece of wood veneer over the plate so it looks like wood under the bridge?

Kind of spread the load across a larger area and tap the plate for the anchor?

Keep in mind, I am really new to guitar restoration... LOL
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Post by The Chad on Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:25 pm

I would replace with a Kahler as it was designed for.  Anything else will not look right.  I know it's an investment, but can you see a Bendmaster actually looking right in that cavity?  You'd be stuck with it, too... as trying to sellthe Corsair with a retro fitted bridge with glued wood may be very tough.
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Post by Westbone on Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:50 pm

Glue it and screw it....
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Post by corsair on Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:25 pm

Damian - dead set!! That's what's gonna happen, mate!

Chad - this is me, Corsair the cheap bastid, so there will be no Kahler! And I don't sell guitars... ask my wife!! This was a cheap guitar, and I'm very comfortable customising/fixing/buggerising about with it in order to hear it sing again so any loss of perceived value is of no concern to me

Any repair will be invisible once the bridge is in place, and a lick of black paint will make it disappear even more - that rout is like the Black Hole of Calcutta! 

Thanks all for comments and observations - this is a new wrinkle for me, and I'm enjoying the challenge!!

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Post by corsair on Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:42 am

So... here we are, then...

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... epoxied in and screwed. Belt and braces, I know but I don't really want to re-visit this in years to come... and seeing as how I'd done one side...

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... I thought I may as well to the other! Probably didn't need to as there's plenty of wood there for the purpose, but, what the hell - I'm having fun!!

I've since epoxied the top piece of wood into place so once everything's set and cured, I'll paint all of the new bits flat black then holes will be drilled and anchors inserted!

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Post by Westbone on Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:46 am

Belt and braces mate..... Thumb Up
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Post by Barry on Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:37 am

Braces and belt, yup, that oughta do it!
Next thing you know you'll be wearing matching socks and sandals! geek

corsair wrote:And I don't sell guitars... ask my wife!!
Oh mate, ain't it the truth?! It's a sickness I tells ya.

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Post by corsair on Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:21 pm

... this is where I'm at, friends.

Let me explain... I have all kinds of guitars in factory finishes, with OEM gear onboard and I found that I rather liked my Rat... this is an extension of that premise...

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MMK 45 at the bridge which will be a straight h/b - coil split... perhaps; looking at series, parallel, coil split as well!; Strat middle and Tele neck (both s/cs are of unknown provenance!!)... mismatched knobs... BMD bridge.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with strings on it.... Oh; I haven't got the Kahler locking nut plates yet....

This is a mock up; I've yet to actually wire the harness up, but I have to say I'm liking this a lot!

I realise that the true aficionados of the brand will be - probably quite rightly! - horrified, but this was only ever going to be a wildcat of some sort, eh!!

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Post by Westbone on Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:56 am

The trem looks fine indeedy. Not out of place.

The knobs just look like dog dirt.
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Post by Barry on Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:11 pm

John, you're strange and twisted man. But Damian's right, the knobs are nasty...and not in a good way! Mis-matched may work on a Punk or Rat expression but not on this nicely finished model.

If you want to make a desafinado statement how about some sort of knob "theme" ...red, white, and blue as a lame example?

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Post by corsair on Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:19 pm

Sorry, fellas - I like 'em!

I had to go and look that up, Barry - great word!! Gonna see if I can drop into casual conversation today!!

And the very point is that everythings totally mismatched as a counterpoint to a wonderfully figured top!!

... or is that too highbrow?!? Laughing

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Post by Barry on Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:06 pm

corsair wrote:I had to go and look that up, Barry - great word!! Gonna see if I can drop into casual conversation today!!
Roll on Floor Laff

And the very point is that everythings totally mismatched as a counterpoint to a wonderfully figured top!!

... or is that too highbrow?!? Laughing
Nope. Just makes you look like you can't afford a decent set of knobs!!

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Post by corsair on Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:10 pm

Barry wrote:
... or is that too highbrow?!? Laughing
Nope. Just makes you look like you can't afford a decent set of knobs!!

... or can't be shagged ordering any?! making do with what I've got at hand?

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Post by corsair on Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:15 am

... and here we are!

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I realised that I have no idea which way the strings wind on, and at that stage was hip deep into the thing, so just thought about a bit, and did it the way I thought was logical!

Impressions are that the bloody neck is SO-O-O wide and flat... the guiatr is dead easy to play, for all that and even I can get around the fretboard with some alacrity!

I haven't properly balanced the pickups yet, but it sounds OK - it'll sound a lot better with some decent single coils nailed in! Probably still a Telecaster and Stratocaster mix, but boy; that 45 is a screamer!

Wiring it up was a little fraught; there is a wiring diagram on the website but it wound up being just for reference as the OEM h/b was a 4 wire job and my 45 is a 3 wire; took a little nutting out but we got there in the end!!

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Notice the glaring error.... my template must have moved as I drilled out the anchor posts and as a result of not checking, the stringpack is 1.5mm too far to the treble side. *sigh*
Still, I haven't found it a burden so far, but time will tell.

What does the royal 'we' use as packing under the s/c?? I've just used a piece of foam under the tele one and a pair of strat pickup springs in the middle which I don't think are man enough to push it up and keep it steady...

Anyway, I'm well pleased insofar as I've got the thing making some noises and it is very,very comfortable to play...

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Post by Westbone on Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:04 am

The old adage of measure twice, cut once eh!

Plug it and re sink the posts.

That skinny E looks precariously close to the edge along with other things not lining up.

Knobs are an improvement...  Smile
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Post by knicelyr on Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:53 am

John,
You are sharing your knob with me, I could share a couple of my knobs with you!
LOL
But seriously, I can send you a few of the resin knobs.  I don't have the aluminum process down for them just yet.  The face of the current mold is acceptable but if you look closely you can see some imperfections from my original.

Anyway say the word and they will be on the way down under.
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Post by knicelyr on Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:55 am

Guitar looks great too!
But I agree with Westbone, it looks like the high E is a bit close... But then you only bend it up anyway right? lol
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Post by Barry on Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:22 am

Geez John, if you wanted the treble E to wander off the fret board I could have sent you a barrel saddle bridge!  Pirouette


Ah mate, all in all it's looking pretty good. Even the knobs are almost growing on me.

Bloody shame about the bridge placement though.

The original barrel saddle bridge on my Thunder IA made the treble E drop right off the fret edge while playing, so I know the problem well. Infuriating!

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Post by corsair on Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:57 pm

It will indeed be re-drilled and fixed, but not right now! I am enjoying playing it and the proximity to the edge doesn't seem to be too off-putting, or detrimental to my playing.... at the moment!
However, it will be like an itch you've gotta scratch and I will fix it...eventually - the idea no longer scares me and I know I'm well capable!

Goodness me... it's a cool looking guitar; 80s hairmetal, here I come!!

@Rick... thank you!! I may very well take you up on that offer! Has the knob turned up yet??

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Post by knicelyr on Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:07 pm

It is a cool looking guitar!
If I had hair I would join that 80's hair band you are starting !!

Yes, I received your knob today, you have a very nice looking knob!

How many knobs do you need?   Remember these will be the resin ones, have not totally worked out the aluminum ones yet...
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Post by Barry on Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:08 pm

corsair wrote:... 80s hairmetal, here I come!!
Oh dear, does this mean a return of the ponytail? Evil or Very Mad

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